I am 10 km south-west of Paris. That probably counts as near 🙂

I thought this was my local chat and thought you meant Paris, Maine for a minute

Maybe you are right @Bill Mill! @Vladyslav Sitalo: which Paris are you visiting? I am in Paris, France.

I definitely meant Paris, France 🙂

And 10km def counts as near, especially if that’s close to RER line 😛

Konrad Hinsen lmk if you’d be interested in grabbing a coffee some time!

My main interests relating to this community is malleable software. I like building and adopting tools for myself. Most recently I’ve been on and off playing with building a custom note system/malleable environment. focus on note taking/knowledge management is bc it’s very core to my interactions with the world and a place where I often find a need to build custom tools/adopt existing one

@Vladyslav Sitalo I am not near an RER line, my priorities are elsewhere: I live on the edge of a forest (Forêt de Meudon). And I don't need to go to Paris every day, so buses are fine with me. I come to Paris regularly though, so we can plan to meet there!

Malleable software is a big topic for me as well. Are you aware of the Malleable Systems group? It's an online community like this one, but smaller and more focused.

Yes, I’m aware of them, though last time I poked around it didn’t seem super active 🤔 gonna go catch up on their matrix chat now 🙂

I’m here till Oct 6. I’ll be busy busy Sep 20-21, Oct 3-6 but would be happy to meet up most other days, lmk when you plan to visit!

I'll be in Paris Sep 25. Would that be OK for you?

yeah, that works! would meeting some time early afternoon work?

Perfect! I have a meeting in the morning. What area of Paris are you in?

Starting today I will be in Ivry-sur-Sienne

the enshittification encroaches. Sounds like the crackdown phase once you know growth is over.

we all kinda know that it wasn't a mistake

they said it was because of the backlash

Of course. Oracle did the same thing after they bought Sun

Make sure everyone’s paying their rents

The universe is uncaring and we can't expect anything to last forever. What we can do is have some shared expectations as a community. In that spirit, let me share my sense as someone who's been trying to maintain archives of this community for several years now at akkartik.name/archives/foc (Aside: Thanks Ivan for not obsoleting that URL with the recent name change 😄)

• If you send private messages here, expect them to be volatile. If they're important to you, save a copy for yourself.
• Attachments are hard. I've mostly not archived them. I took a snapshot around a year ago when Slack announced they were deleting files, but haven't gotten around to making it available online. I also haven't refreshed it since. Like I said, I find this hard relative to my concern for it. I tend to be text-focused. So at least for my archives, don't expect any images or video or other files to persist more than a few months.
• Outside of those two caveats, I'm fairly confident my archive of public text utterances is robust to data vandalism by Slack. Sometimes people delete their posts; these may or may not still be in the archives. (This is advertised as a public record, so don't expect deletions to be guaranteed.) But I periodically spot check for Slack's data deletions. I have retained every zip file I've ever downloaded for this group, so if my scripts have a bug we can fix it.

I’m not deeply involved in the question, but there is surely a good deal to be said for groups like this just using IRC.

I've tried hanging out in an IRC room, but nary a person here has joined me.

First of all, this is a good occasion to say thanks to Kartik Agaram for his archive, which I consult regularly, whenever I have vague memories of some past discussion.

Next, IRC. There are communities that still use IRC to good effect, but I guess that anyone used to Slack will be disappointed. XMPP is one step up in features, but still quite minimalist. Which is fine with me, but it seems I am the exception. The next step up in my opinion is Matrix, and then we get to the Slack clones (Mattermost, Zulip, Rocket Chat, etc.). I'd say the first decision to make for anyone wanting to leave Slack is to define their preferences on this scale. And then consider the dependencies, in terms of (1) Who can mess with the community through the communication tool? (2) Who has an incentive to do so? (3) Who might do so involuntarily, e.g. for lack of means for maintenance?

It's on point (3) that IRC and XMPP shine. There are multiple options for both client and server software, all of which are manageable for people with moderate tech competence.

Seems to me that what we really need is a way to run libraries with minimal privileges as a matter of course.

Perhaps WASM will let us do this. I think WASM has enough virtues that it will become the dominant way to deploy business logic in the nearish future.

Running libraries with distinct privileges implies a security-relevant boundary around the library. That's something that traditional PL-based libraries don't have.

In Unix-like architectures, such boundaries are available only for processes. Does WASM change that?

I believe wasm permits assigning privileges on a per module basis.

Too bad the only people who seemed to be working on this problem all got swept up in the crypto craze.