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Ivan Reese 2025-05-30 03:23:36

In a visual programming environment, points (like, x/y[/z/...] positions) are as important as strings are in a textual environment.

If a visual programming environment doesn't have fantastic affordances for working with points, I can't take it seriously.

Kartik Agaram 2025-05-30 03:33:15

What do you think of Ronin's $xy ?

Ivan Reese 2025-05-30 03:54:14

It's a "lisp on the left". I think it was the tool I had in mind when I coined that term.

So I don't personally count it as visual programming. You aren't programming through visuals, you're programming in text while looking at and lightly manipulating visual output.

Ivan Reese 2025-05-30 03:57:38

$xy is a good example. It's a string. You have to type $xy to be permitted to use the mouse. It's keyboard-first. The text is what decides which visual things are allowed to exist.

I'm keen on the opposite.

Alex McLean 2025-06-01 10:24:15

do you count orca as a visual programming environment?