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xyzzy 2025-03-28 12:43:16

I can't take AI seriously.

Not my video but I have worked with ebsynth ... it is a completely analogue algorithm.

Style transfer without AI. It is built on old analogue aglorithm called patch match I believe.

dcgi.fel.cvut.cz/home/sykorad/ebsynth.html

youtube.com/watch?v=tq_KOmXyVDo

The future of code licensing is even stronger copyright protections for software authors / artists. AI has made a mockery of opensource and creative commons.

blog.xyzzyapps.link/2025/03/08/intellectual-property-stuff-and-trademarks

Andrew Beyer 2025-03-28 16:23:45

The future of code licensing is even stronger copyright protections for software authors / artists. AI has made a mockery of opensource and creative commons.

I don't disagree with the second part... but good luck with the first

xyzzy 2025-03-28 17:21:06

Studio Ghibli has already issued cease and desists.

If the japanese government intervenes, japan can kick out american AI companies or just americans out from japan ... well I would welcome that among many other things.

The logical next step is for copyright reform not in countries like UK / America or Europe whose cultural foundations are built on stolen property but you know the rest of the world, that have their own history and culture.

William Taysom 2025-03-28 18:01:29

xyzzy citation please?

This whole thing makes me think of Rock, Paper, Crossblades youtube.com/watch?v=GVT3WUa-48Y&ab_channel=CorridorDigital.

Andrew Beyer 2025-03-28 18:03:44

and the ai companies who have clearly demonstrated that they have no interest in complying even with current laws are going to respect that why?

xyzzy 2025-03-28 18:41:34

@William Taysom

screenrant.com/studio-ghibli-anime-chatgpt-openai-artwork-fake-legal-warning

seems like a fake cease and desist. crazy ... they have every right to do it. twitter and insta are full of ghibli this and ghibli that

the legal way to get training data ... buy from stock music / stock images ....

grey area - youtube uploads + deviant art or spotify where the terms and conditions have changed to allow AI I think.

when you ask AI to produce lets say a cartoon like Heidi, it might steal from amateur artists in the training data. AI can only do what it is fed.

The video just shows how tricky it is to get production ready AI and I really like how they disclose all the steps And again there are completely analogue algorithms as well which can do better than AI. Analogue algorithms are obviously less memory and cpu consuming.

John Christensen 2025-03-28 21:01:40

@Andrew Beyer AI companies history of flagrantly breaking the law means we should continue to call them out, and demand our representatives to hold them accountable. We shouldn't give in to apathy

Andrew Beyer 2025-03-28 21:34:41

I agree on not giving in... but it's also important to recognize that I'm not sure there's any clear vision of what that means / how to meaningfully accomplish it.

In any case, my point was that OP's suggestion of adding new copyright laws outside US/EU seems unlikely to be a useful approach as they may not even apply to said companies, and are likely to get ignored even if they do.

William Taysom 2025-03-29 03:14:51

Let me add xyzzy that when Corridor Digital did a sequel youtube.com/watch?v=tWZOEFvczzA in response to criticism switched to using their own source art instead of Vampire Hunter D.

William Taysom 2025-03-29 03:21:32

Overall... I guess... It's hard to say... But I do have an photo here that says something about process... So this is James Gurney working on an illustration for Dinotopia:

IMG_1043.jpeg

xyzzy 2025-03-29 03:27:49

People really seem to misunderstand copyright. I describe all the IP terms here in my blog.

You can always ask the original author, can I use your work ? sample your work beyond just inspiration ?

The author can say ... sure go ahead. If the derivative artist is making money, the author can get royalties if they negotiate for it.

Think of an indie musician, whose work is now the soundtrack of a film. The film people will actually pay for the usage rights of the music.

The point of copyright is for artists to make money from derivative works. To strengthen copyrights, should mean authors have the right to refuse their work from being in AI.

Guyren Howe 2025-03-28 18:05:35

“Analog algorithm” is an interesting idea.

Paul Tarvydas 2025-03-29 14:28:59

I have come to the conclusion that all PLs are VPLs. The first VPL I learned was assembler . Pond'ring aloud, thoughts welcome...

Background: Inspired by the 💬 #present-company@2025-03-24 by Duncan Cragg, I started to categorize VPLs. I think that I'm up to 9 simple variants. The main knobs that can be turned for PL design seem to be: (1) syntax affected by visualization technology, e.g. 1960s grids of non-overlapping pixmaps called "characters" vs. more modern raster graphics and vector graphics, (2) semantics of control-flow, e.g. 1960s sequentialism implied by line-by-line reading of code and blocking function calls vs. 1970s control-flow isolation like UNIX processes vs. more modern closures (effectively invented in the 1950s :-)). [FTR, assembler is position-based, using crude graphical grids of columns and rows, whereas C is not position-based, using simple eye-candy indentation for human (vs. machine) readability].

[March 24th, 2025 1:57 PM] fp: http://blog.interfacevision.com/design/design-visual-progarmming-languages-snapshots/

this one - is that it? [update: no, but it's a fun page!]

Duncan Cragg 2025-03-29 20:01:00

[March 27th, 2025 1:28 PM] jack529: Note that code is a user interface too :thinking_face: