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Andreas S. 2024-08-05 10:28:07
Kartik Agaram 2024-08-06 03:21:32

I'd love to hear what you and others think of it. This was a summary and conclusion to a series of my posts here in #devlog-together.

Andreas S. 2024-08-06 12:16:58

Yes some parts resonated with me. It reminded me of my own notes which I kept private. Looking forward to find a opportunity to exchange on these ideas.

Konrad Hinsen 2024-08-06 14:57:20

Interesting notes!

First reaction: the title says "how" but not "what". I think the two go together by necessity. If you first decide, in the abstract, how you want to program, you end up constraining what you can program. Which is fine, of course, if you are aware of it and give priority to methodology. And I like reading about such approaches because my own is almost the opposite: start from what and then figuring out how .

Another surprise for me is the focus on "a program", meaning a relatively autonomous unit of software. In the context of situated software, which I am also a big fan of, this looks like an unwelcome constraint. My own tendency at the moment is the opposite: build extensions/plugins to frameworks such as Glamorous Toolkit (or my own Common Lisp inspector framework) to profit from their affordances and keep the problem-specific code small. But then, this means accepting large dependencies. In terms of durability, a "program" is probably the better bet.

The nine-point synthesis is very interesting. Points 1-3 agree with my own experience. Also 5 and 6. Point 4 is one reason why I like building on a framework: it makes experimentation cheaper (see point 7!). At the cost of durability. Tough trade-off.

Point 9 reminds me of Gilbert Simondon's "The mode of existence of technical objects". He considers a technical object mature when it no longer resembles independent parts bolted together. A single design taking into account everything all at once.

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Duncan Cragg 2024-08-06 08:32:48

Reminder to folks to play this fun game...

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Duncan Cragg 2024-08-06 08:34:24

Reminder to folks: here's the other part of the fun game

Kartik Agaram 2024-08-10 23:19:17

Following up on Duncan Cragg's follow-up: please feel free to post problem statements and react to other people's problem statements ^^ above ^^. Also feel free to use this thread as a retrospective. We've had a few threads now where the format of comments was tightly circumscribed, and it's high time you had a place to comment on specific statements, ask for clarification, post clarification.

I'm going to be offline for the next week. But I'll read everything after I get back, post my own comments and questions (I have a few but won't lead off with my own) and then create some sort of digestible summary.