We have a few different tools listed on the Community page. Maybe try linen.futureofcoding.org?

Getting closer, I think I'm looking for the video of this seminar: hcii.cmu.edu/news/on/event/2020/09/seminar-chris-martens

there was a recording on her website but thats now currently gone

when i click on copy url on that link it gives me that: web.archive.org/web/20201101034906/https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%[…]41013d095f&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNH5_o0QtefIQcqvMU2jxBKbS5MIuQ

any idea how to decjipher that?

I just clicked it and it took me to web.archive.org/web/20220629174336/https://scs.hosted.panopto.com/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=763c8876-8a3f-471f-b7a2-ac41013d095f

Unfortunately it still doesn't work.

Thank you for trying.

Ihcii.cmu.edu/news/on/event/2020/09/seminar-chris-martens apparently there is a video on the site which is working when im using brave...

But which wasn’t showing when I was using the link from web archive and chromium

I asked her over mastodon and she gave me the correct link….

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I'm undecided — it'd be fun, but I also had plans to be in St. Louis for these two days, which would be annoying to cancel. So depending how my day goes today and what whims I choose to follow, I may or may not be on the train.

Kartik Agaram and Jack Rusher have booked tickets, so presumably you'll see them if you choose to go.

if I wasn’t coming from the east coast, I’d totally do this!

I'm not actually attending Strange Loop. Limited patience for large gatherings + can't afford the time. So I'm flying to Seattle, taking the train, flying back from St. Louis.

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Very neat. I won’t be Looping Strangely or training, but I would love to meet up with folk in Seattle if that fits schedules & inclinations.

I’ll be in Seattle a day or two early, so that’d work for me 🙂

So sad I can’t attend. Sounds like an amazing time

And — sold out!

Also, I decided to sit this one out. But if anyone is in St. Louis a day or two before the conf, I'll be looking to meet folks, hang out, and probably eat as much pizza as I can. Plan accordingly!

Ivan Reese I had hoped to sing high and lonesome harmonies with you as we chugged across the prairie, but look forward to seeing you in STL either way 🙂

if I line up a bunch of chairs in a line can ya’ll still regale us with train melodies?

I'm one of those dilettante amateurs who never took lessons.

No musical training.

I call 💩 — didn’t your vocal training start in the womb of a voice teacher?

My mother was a real diesel engine locomotive of acting and singing talent, true.

And your various audiovisual recordings suggest the apple did not fall far from the tree

Not far from the ~train~ , Jack. I'm doing bad train puns.

I can't sing, but boy can I whistle.

2.4 US 22. Conditional expressions and arguments Conditional expressions, expressions whose value is one of several alternatives, are added. A simple example is value = ( a>0.0 ? a : 0.0)

Fortran now supports ternary conditions?

Nobody ever gets excited about Fortran, and that's why it exists. It's boring technology that you can rely on. People get excited about what they are doing with their Fortran programs, happy for not having to deal with tech churn.

A useful lens for understanding Fortran is Stewart Brand's pace layers . Excitement is about the fastest layer, which Brand labels "fashion/art". Fortran is in the infrastructure layer. It's as exciting as highways and sewage systems.

It would have been a good investment in your time if you had learned FORTRAN in 1957 (provided you wanted/needed to code in FORTRAN for 66 years).

I was talking to a COBOL programmer and I assumed that the language had probably evolved a lot over the years, but they assured me that it hadn't and had remained relatively stable and unchanging, at least over their career.

An irc contact turned close friend did their entire phd in fortran99 because that's what their fluid dynamics library was written it. I read through some of the systems and (aside from the math I didn't grasp) it was seriously readable

I love seeing it supported and invested in (at whatever speed). The world may well crumble without it

Kevin Greer It's indeed interesting to compare COBOL, Fortran, and Lisp, the three oldest languages that are still widely used. COBOL has hardly changed, Fortran has evolved significantly, but with a strong emphasis on backward compatibility, and Lisp has always continued splitting into dialects that have taken lots of different directions.

I see this mostly as Conway's law in action, the languages reflecting their communities: for COBOL, banks and insurance companies, for who stability is top priority, scientific computing based on mature theories for Fortran, and builders of experimental software for Lisp.

Makes sense and I think this points to what is both Lisp's greatest strength and weakness: its versatility and mutability at the cost of being able to develop a community around an actually common standard.

Maybe the curse of powerful languages.

I have little context on the modern iterations of these languages and am trying to attribute some reason as to why they split in popularity. The few thoughts that came to mind:

• Lisp is a standard and the dialects can be more flexible / meet modern use cases.
• COBOL found a home on mainframes which are rarely used outside of banking
• Fortran found an early footing in academic systems and has only been a stable, reliable base for scientific computing. Also performance

Do any of those points hold water?

COBOL has very little competition, in that it is a language actually designed for business applications. Java was designed for set-top boxes, javscript for light scripting of webpages, Python for education, C for OS system programming, Smalltalk also for education. Given that the majority of the world's code is for business applications, this is a remarkably underserved area. COBOL's rich record support makes working with structured data much easier than something like C's anemic structures. FORTRAN also benefited from rich standard libraries like netlib.org/linpack

@Walker Griggs All three have official standards, which have multiple highly conforming implementations. It's really the application domains and the associated user communities that make the difference.

Tesler's article, which begins on page 86, talks about the (then purely hypothetical, today almost realized) future in which computers act as intelligent agents that can perform tasks on your behalf.

Here are some excellent example prompts. I've seen something like each of these actually achieved for the first time in the past few years — but not yet free from the supportive scaffolding of a carefully planned demo, and definitely not all within one system.

(Yes, this is all very Knowledge Navigator, I know. What's nice about the article is that you get a bit of Tesler's reflection on how these things ought to be, and why.)

This paragraph began very suddenly and violently ringing and twirling inward around itself, dissolving and recomposing, about 25-30 years after it was written.

Weiser's article, which begins on page 94, is great. It discusses the design of a system of computing devices that scale from wall-sized to pocket-sized, and how they might be used in a collaborative way. It's a fun alternate history, imagining a sort of Dynamicland-like scenario implemented with early 90s technology.

Negroponte's article (p. 106) imagines Macromedia Flash

Kay's article was actually my least favourite of the bunch, though perhaps that because I'm more familiar with his other, longer writings from this period which allow him to go broader and deeper than this little article did.

In any event, Kay talks about the role of computers in education, and how the computer must be seen as one of many tools to aid exploration, not a mere deliverer of information or a substitute for teaching.

If I run a conference experience reports are banned. They are just advertisements. I do not like them as talks at all.