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Cole Lawrence 2023-06-06 17:00:03

Does anyone have suggestions for a snapshot history UX for multi-dimensional data (like Excel, but with more dimensions)? It seems that most implementations for Figma, Google Workspace, and Microsoft Office 365 are pretty basic, but maybe that’s all people expect, so it’s not worth the effort to try to be clever. What do others think? I’d be pretty curious for people to suggest products which were able to “double count” the typical “snapshot” UX by thoughtfully pairing it with another need like audit-ability. For example: Procreate has a way to see the timelapse of changes to a piece of art over time. Or, you could use snapshots as a way to tell a story with data, by selecting interesting snapshots to be used as “key frames” in a presentation.

Mariano Guerra 2023-06-06 23:52:34

can you expand on the meaning of "snapshot history UX for multi-dimensional data"

Joakim Ahnfelt-Rønne 2023-06-07 05:28:36

Perhaps a video-like interface with scrubbing plus highlighting of each individual change during the playback?

Leonard Pauli 2023-06-07 14:56:23

Oh oh! Make it tilt in 3d to reveal each cell as having a tail/graph or at least git-like commit tree with dots along z-axis (time). Scroll the sheet along z-axis to reveal the values in the cell when they pass along the dot!

Leonard Pauli 2023-06-07 14:58:48

While nicely flashing the cells that gets changed (in authors color), to give at-a-glance info when scrolling fast.

Leonard Pauli 2023-06-07 15:18:06

Detect/store special changes and vizualize appropriately, eg. a move/duplicate (ctrl-x/v/v). Assume nr changes are smooth/fit graph along z. For images, morph 'ed (XD)! For colors, smooth transition them! (or have it snap, depending on ctx). The trail interface, while also amazing in VisionPro/VR, allows for a quick intuitive sense of the sheet's evolution through time, space, collaborators, and sections. Combine with LLM's or other to write telescopic text summaries of changes. Non-linear timescale to have it based both on time and change density (cognitive wise, not necessarily data-wise); ability to affect this parameter along with the space-between change-regions to create clearer clusters of editing sessions, or parameter for conceptual/spacial regions, to separate edit history, recursively, into more specific areas of interest. (eg. if code, how has this functionality changed? keeping it in center while files surrounding content may move around it, while its origin story unfolds as it splits and merges across locations (+ utilizing data flow/dependency graph, to bring surrounding functionality ctx in the periphery.

Cole Lawrence 2023-06-07 15:44:09

Mariano Guerra – this is the conventional approach to snapshot history UX that I’m referring to. In my application, “multidimensional data” is basically just like rows in a typical database, where each column in the database is a “dimension”. A key difference is that “dimensions” can be re-used in multiple tables and used for joining and comparing across datasets.

The primary function I hope to use snapshots for is not data-entry, though. It’s “data modeling” and experimentation. E.g. Setting up data visualizations and control knobs on a canvas interface. So, if someone accidentally deletes a canvas of control knobs and visualizations, that canvas can be restored from a week ago through browsing this “snapshot history”

Cole Lawrence 2023-06-07 15:48:02

@Leonard Pauli – I like the idea a lot conceptually. I think there’s potentially something very feasible with respect to filtering changesets based solely on which canvas is being viewed or which visualization is selected.

Kartik Agaram 2023-06-09 18:35:27

I finally had occasion to try out Obsidian today. Some notes after 5 minutes of use.

  • The initial experience is a blank screen without bullets. I thought the outliner view was the #1 selling point of such tools? Do people use Obsidian to write free-form text?
  • I can copy a set of nested bullets from Obsidian to LogSeq and it works great. In the other direction, though, Obsidian loses all the nested structure I copied from LogSeq.

Overall the experience has been surprising. The open source clone felt like a more polished onboarding experience than the relatively proprietary and centrally coordinated product. I'm curious if that matches other people's experience.

Eli Mellen 2023-06-09 18:38:05

I am a mosaicist that uses Acme and grep as a note taking solution mostly…but, whenever I try Obsidian I’m struck by how opinionated it is — it assumes you want to organize and take notes in a specific kinda way that is mostly incompatible with how I roll.

I see the value of being assumptive/shaping a specific kinda use…but I think you then need to guide folks to help them find that optimal way and Obsidian doesn’t really do that work at all, I don’t think.

Christopher Galtenberg 2023-06-09 18:44:15

The first 3-4 uses of obsidian I saw were people using it like an outliner, so I too was thrown off that the default use is just markdown – seems way better to me, only a % of thinking is a fit for bullet points

Ivan Reese 2023-06-09 21:44:38

GDC (Game Developers Conf) is running a Showcase event at the end of June. They've sent me some codes for free passes — DM me if you want one.

Ivan Reese 2023-06-09 21:51:45

Meta commentary:

A marketing firm emailed me about doing a quid pro quo where I'd promote this event on social media, in our newsletter, banners on our website, etc, and then they'd give us some free passes.

My typical reply to these sorts of things is a flat "No" or simply the ol' Report Spam , but… this is GDC. So there are some people here who might actually be interested.

So instead I replied "none of those [forms of promotion] would work", and they just sent me the codes anyway.

Yes, mentioning it here means they are getting a bit of promotion they otherwise wouldn't get. But if anyone is actually interested in "attending" this virtual event, I figure it's worth saving them $150.

Andrew F 2023-06-10 04:55:39

So is this just, GDC but online only?

Ivan Reese 2023-06-10 05:35:30

It's some sort of "showcase" event, different from the normal conf, I think. I don't even know if it includes access to the "vault" of presentation videos from years past (which, IIRC, is paywalled)